i think he would speak out against paul ryan's new budget. i think on the issues more sexually oriented that he probably won't change the church's traditional teaching on this. but what i do have some hope for is that he appears to get touched by experiences of real people with real needs and real issues. so i'm hoping as he becomes pope for the global church that he will be touched by other people and see their struggles, see their efforts. and let his heart be broken by that. >> as somebody who has been so involved in this personally as you are means of serving your church and your way of expressing your faith, do you feel like you have learned that there are better ways and worse ways for the church to be involved as a political actor? to be part of policy conversations and political debates? >> oh, absolutely. i think when we get too identified with an ideal that is politically held that we can hold on to the ideal with losing sight of the gospel. but when you have to stay rooted in the gospel and jesus is called to welcome in everyone, w